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S1 E9 Weathering the geopolitical storm with Casper Klynge

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In this episode, host Jenny Radcliffe welcomes Casper Klynge, Vice President and Head of EMEA and Government Partnerships at Zscaler. Casper discusses the importance of cybersecurity and political awareness for organizational resilience in a rapidly changing world. He explains why defending AI technologies and aligning with new regulations are essential strategies for staying secure and competitive today.

SPEAKER_01:

Cyber resilience is fast emerging as the driving force behind survival and success in a world of unprecedented digital transformation. Through trend-based discussions with cybersecurity experts and pioneers, real-life case studies and practical advice, the Resilience Factor offers the tools and strategies needed to build business and personal resilience in all areas of cybersecurity and networking. Not only that, but you'll get to hear from a range of industry-leading professionals and experts at the very top of their game. Join us as we build a vital resource to drive organisational resilience within a fast-moving security landscape. I'm Jenny Rackliff, the People Hacker. This week we are joined by Caspar Klinger, Vice President and Head of EMIA and government partnerships at Cscaler. As Zscaler's Vice President for European Government Affairs, Casper leads strategic engagement with public sector stakeholders across the region, helping shape policy conversations around cybersecurity, digital sovereignty and cloud transformation. Having previously served as Denmark's first tech ambassador and held senior diplomatic roles in Brussels, Kabul, and Jakarta, Casper brings a unique blend of geopolitical insight and tech fluency to his current role, demonstrating how diplomacy and digital innovation can intersect to drive meaningful change. Caspar joined us today to share his perspectives on how companies can remain resilient through a tumultuous period of regulatory and geopolitical change. Welcome listeners. We hope you enjoy the conversation. And welcome, Casper. It is such a pleasure to have you on the show. How are you?

SPEAKER_00:

Well, thanks very much for having me on the show, Jenny. I'm fine. I'm back after a quick trip to Asia, so um not too jet-lagged and good to be on the show with you.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, we can't wait to talk to you. So let's dive right in, Casper. And the first question is such a loaded one because I think everyone fe feels like they have an answer to it. But my first question to you is you know, what does the geopolitical and technological environment feel like right now, especially compared to previous years?

SPEAKER_00:

I have a previous life in diplomacy, so I've been sort of you're operating a little bit the international environment for unfortunately a couple of decades, which says a little bit about my age. But I would say the following that I think we've been through difficult moments in the past, and and of course we've seen uh war in Europe in the 19s, and we saw you know difficulties in Iraq, Afghanistan in the beginning of this uh century. Um, but if you look at it from sort of a pure political point of view, I think we are right now at a moment in time where the sort of tectonic plates on international affairs are moving quite rapidly. And uh there are a lot of anxiety, whether you live in Europe as we do, or whether you are in the US or or in Asia. I think there are a lot of people that feel that the world is is a bit more fragmented, a little bit more dangerous. And needless to say, also the space that we operate in as a company, uh, you know, cybersecurity, that's definitely one of the areas with the arrival of hybrid warfare, where a lot of organizations and a lot of individuals are feeling that the world is less safe than it uh used to be. So I'm sorry to bring a lot of pessimism or or concerns to this program, Jenny, but I do think it it feels like a particular moment in uh in uh in history.

SPEAKER_01:

I think you're right. And I think what I always think about that, Casper, is it's it's the rate of technological development alongside these changes that makes it so significant, that makes it feel different, just to someone like me as an observer. I mean, it's alongside all the tumult and all the conflict. We've got this rapid acceleration of technology alongside it that's just changing everything as well.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, and and I think I think that's perhaps sort of the uh the game changer as well. I mean, we've been through other you know, leapfrogs in in terms of technology, uh, you know, industrial revolutions in the past, but I think the pace at what we are seeing in terms of changes, you know, we might come uh back to discussing artificial intelligence in a second. But you know, you're certainly one of the topics right now, at least when we're sitting in Europe as we are, is this feeling of uh losing out, uh missing out on opportunities and feeling a little bit isolated also from a geopolitical point of view, then combined with the fact that technology is, you know, we'll put it a little bit more black and white than it is, but is primarily driven by non-European companies. I mean, that makes Europe feel particularly vulnerable right now, especially when look when you look at also Europe's perhaps global competitiveness not being what it what it used to be. So I think that's a that's the kind of mindset that we're operating in, and it's incredibly important that we as a technology company that we understand this, that we, you know, try and and align and really respond also with the technology to make sure that we put, in our case, uh Europeans back in the comfort zone at a moment where people are feeling more fragile than they have used to be.

SPEAKER_01:

I mean, I I think you're right, but I did hear it described as you've got uh you know two major geopolitical players in the digital space, USA and China, essentially. And I heard you're described as not having a seat at the grown-up table that were on the kids' table alongside countries like maybe Brazil or India. And I just thought that was a a really interesting way of describing it. You know, you you were a diplomat for many years.

SPEAKER_00:

Many would disagree.

SPEAKER_01:

There was a career I always thought I'd love to join, but I would have been hopeless at because I'm too, I don't know, I'm not diplomatic enough, I guess. But I how's the your experience as a diplomat sort of shaped your perspective on all of this? Because you're a technology leader in a leading company. Of course, you've got that hat on. But as a diplomat, you must see a wider picture. How how's that perspective shaping the way you look at the challenges we're all facing?

SPEAKER_00:

I think I've been, you know, very lucky or fortunate, however you want to put it, that um, you know, my career I've been been working in in some of the hotspots at the moments where there were hot spots, uh, you know, the Balkans and and you know, early in the century in Afghanistan, when that was uh you know one of the main topics. Uh I was in in Southeast Asia also when there was a lot of focus on Southeast Asia. Um and then I I moved transition into technology first uh within the diplomatic uh foreign ministry, but then afterwards, you know, working for one of the other technology companies, and then of course moving into C-scale eventually. So where the parallel is that you know, I think whether you you work politically from a government side or from a private company, it's really about where change is coming from. Um and I think in today's world, it's not only about conflicts or uh you know, where you have major economic growth. We have to just acknowledge that technology, digitalization, you know, in our case, cybersecurity, are main drivers of change. So I think where this feels like it's a continuation of my previous career in the diplomatic world is that I once again, you know, a little bit by coincidence, find myself at sort of the epicenter of change. And I think today, uh, you know, a lot of leaders also in the public sector and governments across the world are acknowledging that, you know, whether we talk about artificial intelligence or you know, cloud, whether we talk about productivity tools, they have a massive impact on our societies. They have a massive impact on government, they have a massive impact on competitiveness. And at the end of the day, they have a massive impact on whether countries or regions will be influential on the global stage. And again, that brings us back to Europe. And I think this feeling of being uh being a little bit left behind or not sitting at the grown-up table, as you mentioned before, Jenny.

SPEAKER_01:

I mean, that's that was some of the questions that you know we've put together with the team are about uh are about exactly this. Looking at the, you know, one of the things that the next question was going to be what are the unique challenges that organizations face that didn't exist a decade ago? But to me, I I think it's even more recent than that. Again, it's this pace of change. And the idea that a company you're not operating as ice in as isolation the way we used to be. You've got to, I assume that the companies have got to take a more global perspective, a more geopolitical perspective on everything that they do now. Because I guess even the clouds kind of blade the boundaries and stuff. Would that be a a thing to say? Those out those are the variables impacting technology companies more than a decade ago, more than a few years ago.

SPEAKER_00:

When I still worked in government and and you know, we did this let's call it a startup in government where we created an embassy to the tech industry, you know, one of the reasons were was because we thought that the tech industry had such a massive influence over the direction of the world that they had to assume a responsibility that they were not used to, which were similar to what countries historically had been been uh you know forced to do. Um I think the same applies in in today's world. Um, you know, when you look at what happens in Ukraine right now, you know, when you look at hybrid warfare, one of the major differences compared to previous conflicts is that among the first responders, not least in the digital sphere, not least when it comes to cybersecurity attacks, it's actually the private sector that will have to step up to the plate and be first responders and helping protect organizations or governments, or, you know, being a little bit political here, I would say, you know, the values that we've been fighting for for you know centuries and the kind of societies we've been fighting for, I would say ultimately democracy. The private sector will have to play a role there, and they should play a role. And I think similarly to when you look at the transatlantic relationship, which is under pressure right now, there's no reason to hide that fact. Uh, you know, I would argue that the private sector will also have to assume a responsibility in keeping things together. It's very difficult to be, you know, Switzerland today and and to claim neutrality. Uh, and and I think for all of us, that includes the company I work for, you know, we we have to play a role here in acknowledging that we that we we have a role in in defending organizations, we have a role in defending uh, you know, governments, uh, democracy as well. So I think that's where where where the difficulty or the difference is compared to previously. And not all companies are ready to assume that role, and it's unpleasant territory to to move into, but but I I think that's the reality of uh of the world, uh NO 2025.

SPEAKER_01:

I I mean you say no one can be Switzerland, and that is true. But I think what a lot of people don't realise is that with the with the real giant tech technological companies, they don't have to be. They don't have to because they're because they're they're transnational, right? If you I mean I mean we're gonna I was gonna ask you about data sovereign uh digital sovereignty, lays in data sovereignty. But but they don't have to be because because you can you can uh jump across jurisdictions depending on this is my understanding, please correct me if I'm wrong, but but it depends where the data is stored and whether it's your data if you're a citizen of that country. So there's ways of of companies to kind of dodge that on the the the biggest companies I'm talking about, the top, you know, uh giants, if you like. And and it just feels right now that like we're being we have to put faith in companies to do the right thing. And and I don't see the evidence that that either historically or now that that is necessarily going to be the case. You know, we're relying on companies to do the right thing alongside governments that are changing all the time. It's impacting the direction of technological companies and cybersecurity companies, but at the mass macro level, that dominance is creating opportunities, economic opportunity and and legal, you know, immunity to a degree. I don't know if there's a question in there, Casper. It's confusing.

SPEAKER_00:

I think that both there's a point, but also a question there. And I you know, I would agree on the point. I I think one of the paradoxes of the time we live in is that you know globalization has come under pressure, and you know, there are many critical voices on what globalization did in the past, and it didn't lift sort of the uh all societies up, it didn't create the the the economic opportunities for everybody, which is why people are questioning whether globalization is the way forward. At the same time, you have technology that is really cross-border, that knows no limit. You know, if you look at the cloud, of course, you know, one of the advantages is the scalability, the fact that you do create sort of a globalized world of technology. And I think that that's one of the paradoxes we have right now. At the same time, I think you're right in pointing out that um, you know, when you look at, again, if we look at Europe, but I would argue also elsewhere in the world, there is an increased focus on, you know, the digital sovereignty. You know, how can you be in control? How can you make sure you control your data sets? How can you make sure that your organization will continue to operate regardless of what happens uh on the outside? And and some companies um perhaps have not realized that that is a discussion or a set of concerns that they really need to align with. I mean, my own view on this would be that those companies that do not understand that they have to help deliver digital sovereignty, uh, they will have difficulties from a commercial point of view, from a business point of view, moving ahead. Because I think it is coming. Um, and I think it's being moved in a direction where it's much more operational today and less theoretical than it used to be. And uh and I think we all have an incredibly big responsibility in making sure that we help deliver uh on that side so that people do have trust in technology, that they feel that they can move ahead on digitalization, which is of course going to be one of the game changers uh of the time that we're living in, including around artificial intelligence.

SPEAKER_01:

It will be because because I think most people think data residency is digital sovereignty, and it isn't, right? And so I think I think that's a challenge, and I think as well I I just don't think that a lot of people understand this and have really got to grips with just how how uh mobile data can be and and and who can look at it. And it brings in security, um, which is the business that we're in, because if yeah, what laws apply, what jurisdictions does this apply, who can access it, who can disseminate the data? You know, if you look at some of the larger companies holding data all over the world, this is a real challenge for security companies like C Scalar, you know, like if we put our security hats on. Um I think it's a real challenge. So do you think then that that is why resilience has become such a a big topic in the industry? That like how because it it's bound to be, there's bound to be breaches of that data. There's bound to be things that happen when it's moving all the time, when we do when the clouds blade the boundaries. So is that why resilience has become this huge topic that we know that these things will happen, or we can we can more or less um guess that this will happen. So we have to learn to live with it and manage it well, I guess.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, so so I think there are a number of different reasons why, you know, the analysis that you just went through is correct, uh Jenny. So I think um, you know, one of the reasons, of course, if we look at you know the business that C Scalar is in and what we do, you know, cybersecurity. Unfortunately, we live in a world where uh the number of attacks are not going down. On the contrary, they are they're going through the roof. And we're seeing also with the arrival of artificial intelligence that the level of sophistication, but especially the the level of volume, is also increasing dramatically. In other words, uh nobody will be left untouched, and and and simply the volume of attacks are going through the roof. And that means that any organization will have to invest more in protecting and defending themselves against these external attacks. And needless to say, when you look at the sort of the backbone of the European economy, small and medium-sized enterprises, I mean, for them, this is not just sort of a you know a Friday afternoon event. It can be really an existential event if you are under massive cybersecurity threat. It can actually threaten your availability to survive as a company. So that's one of the things that I think is in today's world a very big reason why we have focus on protection of data and data localization. The other thing is what I would say is sort of the renaissance or the resurfacing of good old school espionage concerns, you know, can you protect your innovations? Can you protect your IP? And today, those things are stored in in data sets and they are typically stored on clouds and for a few perhaps on on-premise uh systems, but mostly in the cloud. How do you make sure that your innovations, if you're a company uh or even if you're in the in the public sector, you know, healthcare sector, how can you make sure that those data sets are not utilized by others? You don't have sort of competitors gaining access to that. I think that's a different set of concerns that also has led to an increased focus on data localization or data sovereignty. And the last thing I would say is, um, and you alluded to this as well, of course, foreign government access to data sets has been an issue for a very long time. Um, you know, with the political or geopolitical instability, that's certainly a concern that has not disappeared. And I would argue that's a concern that is top of mind for many, many uh organizations. How do you protect your data sets also against foreign government? So it's really sort of a trio of challenges, unfortunately, that are leading to uh increased uh focus on data sovereignty and digital sovereignty and the necessity of defending organizations on any external threats, you know, regardless of what they might be.

SPEAKER_01:

One of the things that really alarms me is the idea of holding that data, even though it's encrypted, just knowing that the encryption will be shattered in a couple of years. You know, if you hang on to it, we'll find a way of getting through it in a year or two. And that's quite terrifying for me. So, on that topic then, there must be some organizations doing a better job than others in this area. Um, so you know, have you seen strategies that have worked well for organizations who are looking to this issue? They've got a top of mind, they're looking at things like digital sovereignty, they're looking at these challenges. What would you say was best practice right now? Who's doing well and how?

SPEAKER_00:

One of the consequences of this sort of new threat scenario we're looking at is that uh, you know, even just a couple of years ago, there were many, many, if you look at the private sector first, many companies, but I would also say many smaller governments that said, you know, we can live a quiet life here. We're not the main targets for cybersecurity attacks or some of the other attacks that I mentioned before. Um I think those days are over. So even those smaller actors that in the past tried to say we don't have to invest in cybersecurity, you know, because we're not the main target, I think they understand today that it's it's a very risky strategy to uh to base it on hope or or or being uh invisible. Um I think that's a good thing, uh, because I do think in the past we've seen that many, many organizations needed sort of a titanic moment to really take this quite seriously. Um and you know, you know, a small anecdote from from my previous life when I served as ambassador in Indonesia in 2017 when when that pitcher hit uh one of our biggest logistical companies in Denmark, and I sort of saw firsthand how their complete digital infrastructure was taken out uh in a matter of seconds.

SPEAKER_01:

Was this the mess got exactly it?

SPEAKER_00:

It was a you know subcontractor uh that that then sort of infiltrated the whole system. Um and and I think you know we had to help them get permission to unload uh containers in the harbor of Jakarta because they had no idea what was actually coming in on the container vessels. So so I think you know that was a wake-up call for a lot of companies. But I think today, luckily, companies are taking this more seriously uh because they've seen uh how you know incredibly dangerous this can be. And you know, in the UK right now, we have uh you called Diago Land Rover as a good example of how dramatic a cybersecurity attack can can also be. And then I would say will which will come as a dramatic surprise to you. You know, all regulation is not bad, not even if you work for a private company. When you look at the NIST II directive of the European Union, that of course increases responsibility for the C-suite, but also for board members. If they don't take this seriously, that if they don't make the necessary investments and protecting the organization, there are actually financial implications for the boards themselves. So all of that is is leading to an increased focus on what they need to do. Then I would say there are still huge differences across uh Europe or across the world. There are huge differences between how companies are doing this. It's easier for big companies to invest uh probably than it is for small and medium-sized enterprises. But that's exactly why a company like Cscaler is trying to come in and basically say, you know, leave that in our hands, you know, make the investment, we'll take care of the cybersecurity suite for you. And by the way, we'll do it in a way where we don't store your content, we don't have access to it. You have control. Uh you know, we give the sovereignty to you, we help anonymize your IP addresses, which means that we reduce uh attack surfaces dramatically for your organization. So I think this is sort of a state-of-the-art approach based on what we call zero trust architecture, which is, I would say, a more modern way of looking at it, where you're not as dependent on legacy uh technology, you know, firewalls, the VPNs, etc. So I think there are ways of outsourcing, if you like, your cybersecurity to uh to companies as well, even if you're a small and medium-sized player.

SPEAKER_01:

And I think that's a sensible thing to do. And I think you're right about the Titanic moment. You know, history shows us that sometimes it this is when change comes. And it also shows that's when innovation sort of comes as well. When these big sort of challenges hit us all, sometimes quicker than we thought, harder than we thought. So are you seeing opportunities for innovation within Europe particularly? I mean, I guess we're gonna talk AI now, because you have to say AI every half an hour in our industry, or you you're fired.

SPEAKER_00:

Every half hour, I think it's more often than that.

SPEAKER_01:

It's more often. What's the opportunity for innovation here? What do you see as the way the companies can take the situation and really innovate? I mean, you spoke about one with Z scalar, the idea that you know we see these challenges and we're making that accessible, I guess, to companies of all sizes who are recognized. This making it as easy as possible to do the right thing, the secure thing. But are you seeing something? Is there anything else that you'd add to that?

SPEAKER_00:

So I'm not going to be objective in what I'm going to say next. So you can cut it out afterwards because you will see this as a biased intervention. Um, I do think that one aspect which is crucial, and I would by the way say the same even if I didn't work for C Scalar, it is impossible to think about digital sovereignty without cybersecurity. It is simply not feasible to think about sovereignty, to think about being in control unless you have appropriate cybersecurity around your organization. Now, that can be delivered by C scaler, or you can go to competitors. It doesn't really matter. You should go and make sure you have proper investments around cybersecurity, otherwise, sovereignty makes no sense. Um, so I think one of the big topics in Europe right now is indeed around innovation. Um, you know, on the 18th of November, uh there'll be uh a big uh summit in in Berlin around digital sovereignty. Um I I think one of the main targets there is to make sure that the European ecosystem will be more successful, where the innovations in Europe will actually lead also to scalability and having more successful digital technology companies in Europe. And I think that's the right way forward. But in order to protect your innovation or to be successful as a company, to be competitively successful, I do think Europe is correct in saying we need sovereignty, we need to be in control, we need to be independent, we need to be the ones taking decisions. And I think for companies, especially non-European companies like C Scalar, it means that we have to innovate our technology stack in a way that we give that to customers. Um and if we give that to customers, they can feel much more at ease. Uh, they can feel that they can spend their time, not concerned about where their data sets are going, but rather how they can add value to those data sets and become global competitors at a moment where Europe is falling a little bit behind. If you look at the number of um you know companies creating innovations, uh, you know, if you look at where Europe is in terms of universities, uh, the academic world, there is nothing to be uh shy about in Europe. We're doing extremely well. Uh the area where Europe is not going to do so well is to scale the companies, the startups, to become global competitors. And I think this is where the sovereignty discussion really matters a whole lot and where we have to adapt and help Europe become more successful.

SPEAKER_01:

I think that's true. I think it's hard though, because you've got US and Chinese companies, if we say if we talk to them about the two big players who are headquarters, you know, US company headquarters in Europe, expanding within Europe, but it's a US uh company where, you know, it's it's it I suppose there are legal and jurisdictional questions about that, but you're not wrong. I mean, I think and I think Europe it's a United Front that we need to present on this, I think. I I think as a as a continent and as a I hate to say this is a brit because we're kind of not quite there. We're sort of the uh the unwelcome cousin at the table right now, but it seems to be that that would be uh the best strategy is that United Front and making the legislation for it.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, but but I do think that there are opportunities for for you know Europe in in this space. Uh and again, you know, if you look at the number of patents in in the technology space, Europe is doing extremely well. I mean, there is no reason why Europe shouldn't also do well on the technology uh side. And and again, I I think it's it's it's our responsibility as non-European technology companies to make sure that Europe can focus on being more successful. Then there might be a couple of areas, just to be a little bit critical, where you know it's it's not as easy to get your products out and about among the EU 27 member states because the internal market is not really working the way the internal market was supposed to be working. Uh, you know, access to capital is a little bit more difficult in in Europe. But I think the main concern for many European decision makers is where will the data set go? Going back to your point from before, Jenny, and I think this is where any company, whether it's C scaler, whether it's the big hyperscalers, uh whether it's you know technology companies working in more niche spaces, you know, we have to make sure that we change our approach, that we make technology that is fit for Europe, that we don't expect that Europe will sort of align with what we're doing. And I think that's the reality that is coming to a theater in the AU very soon. And uh, and you know, looking a little bit into the crystal ball, in our case, uh, we have made the conclusion that you know it's a huge opportunity for us if we can make sure that we give that kind of control, uh independent choice uh back to our customers, either teaming up with European partners or just making sure that people feel in the comfort zone with the technology uh suite that we uh that we offer. And I think other companies will have to do the same.

SPEAKER_01:

I agree. I think strategy just got quicker.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Uh we just we just made that runway so much smaller. Well, you know, I had lots of other questions around that, Casper, but we're gonna finish today. But I'm supposed to ask every guest this question, and I feel silly asking it every time, but it's a little bit of fun, and it's because we're called the Resilience Podcast. So, Casper Klinger, what is your resilience superpower?

SPEAKER_00:

You know, I I think uh you know, I'm I'm again going to be super biased in in this area. So I would point to two areas, and one of them is the profession I'm in. I think again, we've spoken a little bit about how companies need to align with a new political reality. So I was recently at the Gartner event in in London where I was hosting a launch with you know 25 other companies, and one of the things that we spoke about was you know, companies that are not politically astute will have many difficulties looking ahead. So I think you're building up that political understanding of where the world is and where the world is heading. The world, the word geopolitics is finding its way into boardrooms or into C-suite discussions. I think that's a good thing. So I think in order to create resilience, including making sure your your business opportunities will remain or will increase, I think you know, political astuteness is actually one of the resilient aspects that we need to look at. The other one, I'm equally biased on this one. Cybersecurity is unfortunately going to be one of the major challenges looking ahead. And if we look at our threat intelligence inside C Scalar, we can see how some industries are facing 900% year-on-year increases in the number of ransomware attacks. Uh, I mentioned before the arrival of artificial intelligence. I think one of the challenges we have right now, uh Jenny, in AI, is that there was so much focus on productivity gains. In other words, what can any organization gain with using artificial intelligence? Uh, there is way too little focus on how the use of AI is in fact also increasing the attack services for those who want to hurt our organization. So we need to make sure that in order to create more resilience, we need to make sure that we defend artificial intelligence with cybersecurity. Products, in many ways, treating AI and the AI agents a little bit like individuals and therefore as islands, to make sure that we have the same kind of protection and defense around them so that we do not make our organizations vulnerable, even as as we try and take uh and reap the benefits of AI. So I would say that's the second sort of resilience uh recommendation, which is not rocket science at all, but something that we need to focus on.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, very well said, Catherine. I think you're absolutely right. I always think that optimism, knowledge, and managing it as superpowers as well. So I agree with you completely. It's been such a pleasure speaking to you, Caspar. I could talk to you for hours about lots of other things, but for now I just want to say thank you so much for being a guest on the Resilience Podcast. So let's reflect on that conversation with Caspar Klinger. Casper touched on the private sector's increasing role in politics.

SPEAKER_00:

One of the major differences compared to previous conflicts is that it's actually the private sector that will have to step up to the plate and be first responders and helping protect organizations or governments. So I would argue that the private sector will also have to assume a responsibility in keeping things together.

SPEAKER_01:

But I questioned if the private sector would do the right thing.

SPEAKER_00:

My own view on this would be that those companies that do not understand that they have to help deliver digital sovereignty, uh, they will have difficulties from a commercial point of view, from a business point of view moving ahead because I think it is coming.

SPEAKER_01:

Caspar also talked about how, for businesses both large and small, attacks are inevitable.

SPEAKER_00:

In other words, uh nobody will be left untouched. When you look at the backbone of European economy, small and medium-sized enterprises. I mean, for them, this is not just sort of a Friday afternoon event. It can be really an existential event if you are under massive cybersecurity threat. It can actually threaten your availability to survive as a company.

SPEAKER_01:

But there's growing awareness, and Zscaler can help.

SPEAKER_00:

Probably than it is for small and medium-sized enterprises. But that's exactly why a company like Zscaler is trying to come in and basically say, you know, leave that in our hands, you know, make the investment, we'll take care of the cybersecurity suite for you. And by the way, we'll do it in a way where we don't store your content, we don't have access to it, you have control.

SPEAKER_01:

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